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MarkS's avatar

The problem with socialism is that it's vaporware. There is no draft socialist Constitution of the United States, no draft precis of socialist coroporate law. It's been 150 years since Das Kapital, and these things STILL don't exist. Which is beyond pathetic.

And when socialists seize power anyway and wing it (because there is no actual socialist plan, and never has been), disaster inevitably ensues.

Climate change is a big problem, but yapping about socialism ain't gonna do one damn thing to help.

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Brian Smith's avatar

For a libertarian-inclined person like me, things like this are highly amusing. It reminds me greatly of the revolutionary literary debates among the various Russian radical groups in the 1910s. The same self-confidence the writers are on the right side of history. The same simmering discontent that the masses aren't yet ready for revolution. The same confidence that the right action plan can turn things around from the top.

Mr. Pearl comes perilously close to identifying the real problem the ecosocialists are facing: People don't support them. Jason Hickel thinks we can end greenhouse gas emissions by nationalizing the oil companies. Mike Pearl thinks this won't succeed because it sounds radical to most people. He's right, of course, but assume, for discussion, that President Biden (or maybe President Harris) somehow gets Congress to go along with the idea, and we nationalize the oil companies. Then what? Does he really think that voters will buy into the idea that oil companies should stop producing oil so that consumers can't use oil? If voters really thought that, they'd also support legislation to ban production and use of oil. They'd even stop using oil themselves.

But voters and consumers in industrialized societies don't support such action, even if they do support "drastic action for climate change" in the abstract. Because they have the sense that modern life wouldn't be possible without oil (and natural gas, and most of the other things the eco-utopians want people to do without). But if it's hard to convince Americans and Europeans to give up a modern lifestyle, it will be much harder to convince Chinese, Indians, and Vietnamese to give up their chance at a modern lifestyle - they know what real poverty is, and they know there's a way out of it, and they're determined to try.

The good news is that there's no ecocatastrophe looming. There's not a single scientific paper, let alone a consensus among scientists, that 1.5C, or 2C, or 4C will lead to catastrophe. The last full IPCC assessment predicted rather modest challenges from 2C of warming; the 1.5C assessment was all the same challenges, but a bit more modest.

I personally think the projections of warming are overstated, because all the models used for the projections assume (without evidence) that there are large positive feedbacks - that 1C of warming from carbon will lead to effects (reduced albedo, or increased water vapor, or melting of permafrost, or something else that might be plausible) that cause a further 1C, or 2C, or 5C, or more. I highly recommend the excellent Climate Skeptic blog for a rundown of the science behind this argument, but even if you reject this view, go back to the IPCC. There's no catastrophe coming.

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